Perpetual question-askers and answer-seekers about how we ALL can thrive.
Lawyer. Amateur historian. Multi-ethnic mothers. Positive Psychology.
Harvard-educated best friends of over 27 years.
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Sara + Misasha use stories, law, history, science, and empathy to celebrate our shared human narratives - and show us ways to do things differently to make a positive difference both in our own lives, and the lives of those around us.
If you can never get enough information but also don’t want to feel overwhelmed as you try to stay on the right side of history… congratulations, you’ve found your people.
A graduate of Harvard College and Columbia Law School, Misasha has been a practicing lawyer for over 20 years and is also a writer, speaker, podcaster and storyteller - not necessarily in that order. Recently, she gave a TEDx talk on the link between asking questions and affirming our humanity.
Sara brings authenticity to an environment of experts, which creates a welcome and inclusive environment for dialogue that drives action and change long after everybody has left the room. A graduate of Harvard College, she worked at Goldman Sachs in Tokyo, Hong Kong, and New York before stepping away to train as a life coach, immerse herself in positive psychology, and thrive as a speaker and moderator.
Together, they are the new co-hosts of What Do You Mean By That? - a podcast dedicated to delivering critical information so people can be better humans, without feeling overwhelmed. Misasha and Sara are also the co-authors of Dear White Women: Let’s Get (Un)comfortable Talking About Racism, and were the long-time co-hosts of Dear White Women, an award-winning social justice podcast.
Talk Smart. Think Deeper.
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What Do You Mean By That? is a show dedicated to helping folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it’s about science, history, current events, or more, our community consists of people who want to be better humans.
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We inspire people to take action by leading with empathy, sharing stories, and educating with facts. Available as keynote speakers, educators, and moderators for both virtual webinars and in-person sessions. Reach out to learn more for your ERGs, schools, corporations, firms, and more.
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This level-setting, heart-led book breaks down the psychology and barriers to meaningful race discussions for White people, contextualizing racism throughout American history in short, targeted chapters that emphasize what you can do differently.
